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old UoP student interested in another online college

Last post 08-18-2007, 4:28 PM by SteveFoerster. 15 replies.
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  •  06-15-2007, 4:08 PM 3461

    old UoP student interested in another online college

    I completed 4 classes with University of Phoenix within the past year. But quit because of a family issue

     I have been looking at Ashworth College, and am interested.

    However, I have many many questions, which most are appropriate for an admissions counselor.

     

    Does anyone have experience with this school?

     Is it a credible online college?

    You can get a real degree through them?

     Do you think my credits from UoP could  transfer there...or any other college?

     

    If anyone is able to help, especially someone with experience with this, I would appreciate it. And I do have many more questions I could ask

     

    Thanks Big Smile

  •  06-16-2007, 3:55 PM 3484 in reply to 3461

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Hi,

    Saw your post and thought I would weigh in.  First let me qualify my opinion by saying that I "attended" Ashworth College and graduated in 10/2005.

    My experience with Ashworth College has left me with mixed feelings but first let me answer your questions.

    Does anyone have experience with this school?

    Well I do anyways.

     Is it a credible online college?

    The short answer is yes, the long answer is "it depends".  Here's the skinny, Ashworth College is accredited by the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC) which is recognized by both the U.S. Dept. of Education and the CHEA which as far as I know is the only national accreditation agency recognized by both, but it's been a few years since I've last checked.  The DETC is a national accrediting agencies (NA)which focuses primarily on vocational or professional degrees unlike regional accrediting agencies(RA).  Regional accrediting agencies are also recognized by the CHEA and U.S. Dept. of Ed but offer a wider array of degree offerings up to the PhD, which is not available by any DETC school.

    To clarify, the DETC accredits "distance" learning schools like Ashworth College, Columbia Southern University, California Coast University, etc. 

    RA accredit state schools like the University of Texas or Louisiana State University and some other big name tier one schools through non rated schools from Harvard University to Thomas Edison State College.  By large and far there are way more RA schools than DETC accredited schools.  Most if not all the big name or household name schools are RA, like your University of Phoenix. 

    In the real world there will be limitations to a NA degree.  In Texas for example a Peace Officer cannot get credit for any NA degree per commission regulations which specify RA degrees only.  There are other instances where NA degrees have limitations, primarily in government and education work but also at times in the private sector as well.

    I personally have been well served by my DETC degree, but I would be lying if I didn't tell you that I did have some limitations, which is why I finished my RA Bachelor of Science.

    As such if it is at all possible I strongly urge you to consider getting a RA degree, but since DETC degrees are at times more flexible and a cheaper, then a DETC degree may be the best fit for you.  You can always finish your BS or BA at a RA school later if you choose to.  Just be aware that you will hit a lot of walls trying to get into a RA BS or BA program with a NA Associates.  Some schools that accept NA degrees are:

    Southwestern College (my alma mater)

    And a quite a few "for profit" schools like

    Kaplan University

    University of Phoenix

    American Public University

    Possibly Ashford University (not to be confused with Ashworth)

    American Intercontinental University

    Colorado Tech

    Etc.  Most state schools like UT or LSU will likely not accept any NA Associates degree towards a BS or BA.  Be forewarned.

    In the real world it still plays somewhat of a factor depending upon what you do, where you work, etc.

    You can get a real degree through them?

    Yes, they offer Associates degrees and Masters degrees.

    Do you think my credits from UoP could transfer there...or any other college?

    Most likely, NA colleges are much more likely to accept RA college credits than visa-versa like I said above.

    Now here's my story.
    Ashworth is cheap and easy to enroll in.  They provide all of your books and you can submit your answers online or via paper correspondence.  They are flexible with timelines, etc. 

    On the flip side their customer service was abysmal in my experience.  There were times where I would wait 4 weeks between books just sitting around twiddling my thumbs.  There were also times where I would wait on hold for up to two hours only to be forced into a voice mail which was never returned.  Emails were rarely answered and when they were they were often something vaguely resembling the topic of my questions, more often than not, they were canned answers to specific questions.  I never used their academic help but their administrative helpline has got to be one of the worst customer service experiences of my life.  Both of my brothers and one coworker of mine enrolled shortly after I did but couldn't put up with it and dropped out.  I stuck with it and have definitely seen a handsome return on my investment.  So is it worth it?  Only you can answer that.


    I would also recommend you look at some other regionally accredited school offerings which are very inexpensive.  For example:

    Fort Hays State University

    Peru State College

    Chadron State College

    Or if that doesn't work for you then check out California Coast University, which is NA just like Ashworth College, they offer no interest financing like Ashworth and they use correspondence, deadline free (within reason) work.  Unlike Ashworth though they do not provide books but you CAN rent them instead of buying them.  As far as price, they are a tad more expensive (only slightly) but from what I understand from some of their grads their customer service is out of this world.

    The reason I mention this is because as a distance Ed student, poor customer service can be frustrating to the point that it just makes you want to quit altogether.  Trust me, going back to school is frustrating and freighting enough without the school compiling your problems by leaving you to face the wolves alone.

    Hope this helps.

  •  06-18-2007, 3:50 PM 3514 in reply to 3484

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    This helps a lot. Really, I mean that.

     Thanks so much for your replyBig Smile
     

  •  06-18-2007, 3:52 PM 3515 in reply to 3514

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    One more question..those regionally accredited schools..like Fort Hayes, Peru state and Chadron State..

     

    Do you know if they are strict on deadlines with assignments?

     

    That is my biggest concern with online education. I am very busy with a husband and baby. And UofP was VERY demanding with assignments and papers due every week. I couldn't keep up.

     Working more on my own pace, so that I am learning everything I can is really important.

     

    Thanks for any advice and help  
     

  •  06-18-2007, 6:39 PM 3520 in reply to 3515

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    I am still on the fence between Ft. Hays and Peru State.  From everything I have read, they are very strict on assignment.  They are due when they are due....They do give you ample time to finish assignments, from what I have read so far.  There is nothing that is given one day and due the next.  I have a husband and 4 kids, they are 9 and under and all play sports, so I know about time.  I plan on taking 15 credit hours.  I want to get my Bachelors as quick as possible.  It will mean doing lots of work, but the sooner I get done, the better.  They seem to be very up front with everything.  If you're interested in a school that goes at your own pace, I am sure someone here can recomend one for you!

    Good luck. 

     

  •  06-18-2007, 11:29 PM 3523 in reply to 3520

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Thanks...and good luck to you too!

     

    4 kids and a husband..I can't imagine!

     

    I'm in no rush at all to get my degree, that is why I would prefer a school with no strict deadlines and more of a work at your own pace 

  •  06-19-2007, 6:32 PM 3532 in reply to 3515

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

     

    Honestly, I don't know.  If they allow for a correspondence method then probably not, if they do not have the correspondence method, then they probably do, you'll have to do some research on that, but generally as a rule, online classes are not at your own pace.

     

    I know for a fact that California Coast (NA) is at your own pace like Ashworth and I recommend them over Ashworth for several reasons if you must choose an NA school.

     

    First, they have degree programs all the way to the Masters level so you don't ever actually HAVE to transfer if you don't want to.

    Second, smaller school, more accessible people.

     

    Third, if you do decide to go on to your BS, you lose nothing in transfer credits and you can always go RA for your Masters.  Just my .02

  •  06-19-2007, 9:16 PM 3534 in reply to 3532

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Thank you. California Coast looks good, and they have my major.

    However, I was planning on going for my associates, but they only offer it as a Bachelors. Now I have to decide if thats the route to go.     

  •  06-21-2007, 11:12 PM 3576 in reply to 3534

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Which degree were you looking for specifically?
  •  06-22-2007, 9:40 AM 3580 in reply to 3576

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    I see you've gotten a lot of good input, but I've come across a site that you might also find helpful, if only to affirm your thoughts. 

    http://educationonline.com/

     

    Hope it helps! 

  •  07-18-2007, 2:51 PM 4139 in reply to 3576

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Cajun - I am going for my associates in Health Care Administration  
  •  07-19-2007, 9:37 AM 4152 in reply to 3461

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    You always, always, always want regional accreditation. Remember that. Yes, DETC is "legitimate" in the sense that the Dept. of Education recognizes it, but it is not legitimate in the sense that most employers will be cool with it. DETC is viewed as a "lesser" accreditation. Online education as it stands, is just now becoming acceptable as long as the degree comes from a regionally accredited college. Throw a DETC accredited college in there, and you are going to spend most of your time explaining your education.

    As far as your education being too hard, trust me you want it that way. College should be hard. The harder the better. This is the main complaint against online colleges; that it is designed to be easier for those who couldn't make it at a real college. That the online degree is a "buy a degree" system. Trust me, getting an easy degree isn't worth it. You might get a job, but what is going to happen the first time the boss gives you an easy task that any first year student could accomplish, and you don't know what he is talking about? Maybe it is the accelerated system that isn't working for you. Try to find a school that allows you to take semester long courses, instead of the 6 week accelerated ones. Many traditional colleges and universities offer online courses that are a semester in length. 

  •  08-14-2007, 3:23 PM 4659 in reply to 3532

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    "Third, if you do decide to go on to your BS, you lose nothing in transfer credits and you can always go RA for your Masters."

    Does this mean that RA schools will accept a Bach from an NA school in pursuing a Masters? Are there generally any problems with making this work?   Thanks!

  •  08-17-2007, 10:27 PM 4725 in reply to 4659

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    Katymason:

    "Third, if you do decide to go on to your BS, you lose nothing in transfer credits and you can always go RA for your Masters."

    Does this mean that RA schools will accept a Bach from an NA school in pursuing a Masters? Are there generally any problems with making this work?   Thanks!

    No, generally RA grad schools won't accept an NA Bachelor's.  But considering how there are decent, inexpensive RA schools with distance learning (like Nebraska's Peru State College), why settle for NA?

    -=Steve=-
     


    B.S., Info Sys, Charter Oak State College
    M.A., Educational Tech Leadership, George Washington University
    Doctor of Health Education, A.T. Still University, in progress
  •  08-18-2007, 3:02 PM 4732 in reply to 4725

    Re: old UoP student interested in another online college

    I see. Are there any RA schools who have the CCU approach. I like the "at your own pace" style. I have lots of free time and can really knock out some work if given the option. I also think the Challenge Testing is a nice option, as well as the credit for current certifications and experience. 
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