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My Penn Foster College Experience

This is Terry's account of how he got started at Penn Foster, as well as his ongoing studies towards his online Marketing degree. Read about the various pitfalls of balancing homework with family, as well as his two jobs, personal life, and volunteer work.

Viewer Mail: Defending My Degree Program

Every once in awhile, I am forced to defend my choice of degree program at Penn Foster College.  This email that I received was actually a response to my defense of nationally accredited schools such as Penn Foster College and Ashworth University:

 

“I know you Ashworth (or Penn Foster) students are slow but, come on. nonetheless, I will gladly shred apart your statements. First of all, Ashworth (and Penn Foster) are accredited by the DETC which means.....absolutely nothing. You or I could submit an application for accreditation to the DETC and probably get it. As long as you pay the fee, and say your a college, you can get the DETC seal of approval. Secondly, If you are allowed to take your exams on-line with no supervision, then your paying a fake college for a worthless "degree". And spare me the whole "there is supposed to be a proctor" sentiment. Ashworth can't enforce that rule and it is embarrassingly easy to exploit the lameness of that rule. Any college that is legit is going to require their student who take on-line classes to complete their exams on campus with a teacher. If the college does not require that-or can't require it because there ISN'T an actual campus-the college is not legitimate, and no matter how much you rant and rave, kick and scream, and pretend it isn't so, you can't change that fact.”

 

I will leave out the name of the sender of the email to protect the ill-informed.  Penn Foster College, and Ashworth University, are both nationally accredited by an accrediting body recognized by the U.S. Department of Education and CHEA.  That means that both of these schools are legitimately accredited.  Do they have the same accreditation, or carry the same weight as a school like Harvard or MIT?  No.  However, these schools serve a purpose. 

 

Some students enroll in programs at nationally accredited schools so they can beef up their own work skills, which will later benefit them on the job.  Others enroll at these schools and intend to transfer their credits to another school so they can continue their education.  The schools they transfer to may be either nationally or regionally accredited.  Is there a guarantee that a regionally accredited school will accept transfer credit from Penn Foster College or Ashworth University?  No.  Of course, there is no guarantee they will accept all, or any, of a student's credits from another regionally accredited school, either. 

 

As for it being “easy” to gain accreditation with the DETC, I doubt that I could start my own university out of my home (TCord College) and obtain accreditation from the DETC.  The DETC has site inspections.  They are an accrediting agency which has been around for several decades.  Not all schools which apply for DETC accreditation gain it.  If it were so easy to gain DETC accreditation, there would be many, many more schools accredited by the DETC. 

 

There are other colleges, including regionally accredited colleges, which use online and proctored exams.  In fact, some regionally accredited schools don’t use exams at all, but instead use writing assignments as a means of assessment.  Schools such as the “Big Three”…Excelsior, Thomas Edison State College and Charter Oak State College, do not have college campuses in the traditional sense.  Does that mean they are not “legitimate”? 

 

I think this person’s problem isn’t necessarily with nationally accredited schools like Penn Foster College, or Ashworth College, but with distance learning in general.  Education has come a long way over the past two or three decades, and distance learning is gaining wider acceptance every day.   Plenty of schools have embraced distance learning (yes, this includes Harvard).  Employers recognize that workers who have distance learning degrees are valuable assets.  To believe otherwise simply because a college doesn’t conform to your own ideas about what makes a school a “real” school is simply foolish.   

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Published Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:09 AM by tcord1964

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danielsan1701 said:

It's not fair for you to compare public, regionally accredited, legitimate schools like Excelsior College, Thomas Edison State College, and Charter Oak State College that happen to be online with nationally "accredited" schools.  Being online does not make Penn Foster like the Big Three.  Being regionally accredited and state-approved would make it like the Big Three.

July 1, 2008 9:12 AM
 

tcord1964 said:

I think you need to re-read my post, danielsan.  I did not say that nationally accredited schools are the same as regionally accredited schools.  In fact, I made the distinctions between the two forms of accreditation perfectly clear.

"Do they have the same accreditation, or carry the same weight as a school like Harvard or MIT?  No.  "

Penn Foster College is not an "online" school.  It is a correspondence school.  Course materials and textbooks are mailed to the students.  To deny that PFC and Ashworth are indeed accredited is ignoring the facts.  They are recognized by the U.S. Department of Education and licensed to operate in their respective states, whether you like it or not.  You obviously have an issue with national accreditation, since you put parentheses around the word "accredited".  

Many students have received a good education and job opportunities due to their studies at nationally accredited schools.  How does this negatively impact you?  You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but so are the students who choose to study at nationally accredited schools.  If they have decided to pursue their studies in a way different from the way you would do it, why fault them for that?  It's not as if they are purchasing their degrees from a diploma mill.

Most nationally accredited schools don't have a campus to speak of, but then again some regionally accredited schools don't, either.  Why single out the nationally accredited schools for criticism over a lack of a campus?

July 1, 2008 2:00 PM
 

Cajun said:

danielsan...you are entitled to your opinion but then so am I.  First, state approval is not difficult to get in many, many states much to the chagrin of many online students, colleges and accrediting agencies.  It is known that some states have allowed for unaccredited and "non-wonderful" (to quote Dr. Bear) schools to practice with state approval.  Also as an aside, any DETC school operating within the U.S. has the state approval of the state that they are based within.  

Second, regional accreditation is universally more recognized than national accreditation, even the DETC.  However that does not make it superior in any sense academically, all practicality aside.  You may be surprised to know that LSU, regionally accredited, state approved, state school and ACBSP accredited has a certificate program or 3 that allow independent study and proctored exams off campus, just like Ashworth University.  There is nothing more "rigorous" about a RA than a NA school.

Third, another example of a RA school with no campus is NCU, state approved, AACSB accredited.  I have not seen anyone mention testing through this school but if they did test, where would they go?  There's no campus...

Just some observations.  Good post Terry.

July 1, 2008 3:59 PM
 

helenh said:

Sorry, danielsan, but your logic is deeply flawed. Not sure why people feel the need to start blowing hot air about what ultimately comes down to personal choice. If it's not for you, then fine, congratulations. Why harass others about what works for them and their situation?

July 2, 2008 10:25 PM
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Terry is a veteran writer and reporter who recently switched careers, and currently works in marketing/public relations. He is working toward an AS in Marketing from Penn Foster College. His future plans include earning a graduate degree in Public Relations.

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