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My Kaplan University Experience

Scott Davis is a 37-year-old management professional from Austin, Texas. He comes from an engineering, management, and support background, and has worked for some of the largest corporations. He also has experience in the world of start-ups. Employers include Dell Computer Corporation, UUNET Technologies, Wayport, and Time Warner Cable. Scott is also on the advisory board of EFF-Austin.

Scott started his degree program in 2003, and had no prior college credit before jumping into the distance learning environment. He graduated in October 2007 having attained an A.A.S. in Information Systems and a Bachelor of Science in Management from Kaplan University.

Scott is now a MBA student at Norwich University.

Scott welcomes feedback and questions. Feel free to email him at sdavis (at) WheelCipher.net or visit his web site at http://www.ScottDavis.info


AACSB vs. ACBSP Accreditation

Note: This blog entry is not to be an endorsement for or against any agency.  I am just expressing my concerns and writing about my findings.

Something that I’ve been concerned about in regards to my search for a quality MBA is accreditation.  There are currently two agencies that provide accreditation.  They are the AACSB and the ACBSP.  Here’s what I found out:

The AASCB is the “gold standard” for MBA and business school accreditation.  I actually knew this before I did any research, but I needed to find out more information about them.  If you take the time to look at all the major schools, most of their business programs will be accredited by this agency.  There are even some schools that offer the online MBA that holds the same accreditation as the brick and mortar facility.  Schools that I’ve seen that fall into this category include Arizona State, University of Houston and others.

The second (and newest agency) is the ACBSP.  These guys have only been around since the late 1990’s.  Being the “new guy on the block”, I do have a concern about the acceptance factor of a degree accredited by this agency.  You can see the list of schools they represent.  It’s not like the schools on this list are a bunch of diploma mills.  But you also might notice that the schools on this list are not “A” list schools.  I am seeing a pattern here, but I am not exactly sure that I can pinpoint it or put it into words yet.

One thing is clear, however.  The list of schools accredited by the AACSB are indeed “A” list schools.

When I found the online MBA program at the University of Dallas, I was excited.  I had (incorrectly) assumed that they were accredited by the AACSB.  In looking into the program further, I see that they are accredited by the ACBSP.  If I were to get my MBA here, I am not sure what (if any) impact this would have when presenting it on my resume.  But I do have concerns.

In order to find out some additional information, I sent a quick note to the people at ACBSP.  My email is as follows:

I am considering several business schools.  One of which is the University of Dallas (ACBSP accredited) and Arizona State University (AACSB accredited).  I have read a lot of the literature on your site, but still do not have some questions answered.

Other than AACSB being looked upon as the “standard” by much of our society, what sets your organization apart from them?  I would like to know what benefits I might get by picking an institution that you’ve accredited over one that is accredited by AACSB.

The reply I received was simply a link to their brochure in PDF format.  The brochure doesn’t address my original questions mentioned above.  It just outlines what they perceive are benefits of their program.  

Furthermore, I was doing some additional research and found out that the ACBSP also accredits the University of Phoenix MBA programs.  Then, I found an article in which Intel, one of the world’s largest and best employers has eliminated the University of Phoenix from its tuition reimbursement program because the school “lacked top-notch accreditation”.  

If Intel thinks this way, how much longer will it be before other large corporations adopt the same line of thinking?  Is this a knock on the university, or on ACBSP?  I can't tell yet.  I will continue to look into these issues.  If anyone has any feedback, please let me know.

The bottom line is that the value of your MBA is not only how much you learn with it, but whether or not your employer or future employer will accept it and pay you accordingly.   If you get an MBA from an institution that is looked upon by influential major employers as one that does not provide adequate accreditation, then you might as well have no degree at all.



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Published Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:38 AM by WheelCipher

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Engineer55 said:

There is a third accreditor for business schools and that is the IACBE. I have known many people who received degrees from IACBE schools who have done very well. There are also some high-up individuals at Intel which have degrees fom IACBE Schools and ACBSP schools. It is the same old song, If you have significant work experience, and interview well, you will get the job. If you are changing careers, You are seen as no experience and they will look at where you went to school as gospel. Get the degree from an accredited school (with no degree you have no chance), and prove to them you have the drive to succeed.

May 9, 2007 7:36 PM
 

helenh said:

Looks like UOP has ACBSP accreditation! Take a look:

http://www.acbsp.org/index.php?mo=st&op=ld&sid=s1_025about&stpg=141&par=4237

May 11, 2007 9:21 AM
 

Cajun said:

Funny, it is my understanding that Intel will not fund students going to UofP because they consider them to be 2nd rate even though they are ACBSP, yet they will accept an IACBE school? (in my best Sgt. Schultz voice)....Very interesting

May 12, 2007 1:55 AM
 

sparscale said:

Hello:

I am Steve Parscale, Director of Accreditation for ACBSP. I must apologize to Scott. I am sorry the ACBSP brochure did not answer your question. I have sent the link to the brochure to many students before with positive responses, so I assumed it would answer your questions. It may answer some of your questions as the reader so I will place the link here for you: "Discover ACBSP" Brochure

ACBSP was formed in 1988 from 150 business school in the United States that had a primary mission of teaching. business processes to students. These business schools did not have a business research mission. In the 1980s AACSB would only accredited business schools with a mission to conduct business research. So these 150 Deans decided if they could not get AACSB accredited they would form an association that would accredit business schools that had a mission of teaching excellence verses research excellence.

ACBSP was recognized by the United States Department of Education as a quality accrediting association in 1992. The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) (www.chea.org) recognizes both ACBSP and AACSB as quality accrediting associations.  

The ACBSP standards and criteria that business schools are evaluated against to determine if they can be accredited, or not, are based on the Baldrige Educational Criteria for Performance Excellence http://baldrige.nist.gov/

You can get a copy of the ACBSP standards and criteria at this link: Accreditation Standards for Baccalaureate/Graduate Schools 2004

The following six areas are evaluated at every business school in candidacy for accreditation to determine if they have systematic processes, full implementation, evaluations of results, and use of results to make decisions to improve processes.

Leadership

Strategic Planning

Student and Stakeholder Focus

Measurement and Analysis of Student Leaning and Performance

Faculty and Staff Development

Educational and Business Pr4ocess Management

The process for accreditation can be downloaded from this link: Accreditation Standards for Baccalaureate/Graduate Schools 2004  

A benefit that comes to me as a mental picture of attending and graduateing from an ACBSP accredited school is the following: I am sitting in a large research institutions (an “A” list school) classroom with 200 other students. The professor assigned to teach my class in conducting research so his or her graduate assistant is teaching me. Or I can visualize sitting at a school with a teaching mission in a classroom with 26 students and the professor assigned to teach my class is in the classroom with me.

This is already to long for a blog so I will stop. If you have more question please email me at sparscale@acbsp.org or cal me at 913-339-9356.

Thank you for your time.

Steve Parscale

June 20, 2007 11:29 AM
 

sparscale said:

Hello one more time

I notice most of the links I entered did not stay hot in the blog. Please email me at sparscale@acbsp.org and I will send you the message above so you can open the links if you want them?

Thanks,

Steve

June 20, 2007 11:34 AM
 

WheelCipher said:

I sent the following message to Steve this morning after he did take the time to clear up some things (which we all appreciate very much)

Thanks a ton for following up.  This sheds some light on a concern that I and other people have regarding accreditation.  I do appreciate your perspective on things and I am glad we've had the opportunity to go over these things.   I hope that you do see my point as someone who is looking for a quality education, and accreditation that will be accepted with major employers.  I'll make an analogy here (even a weak one at that).  If you have several established automobile manufacturers (i.e. Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc ...) who have been around forever and own a majority of the market share in their respective business, then all of a sudden a new manufacturer comes along and introduces a product into an already saturated market, people are going to investigate on their own to see why this new guy on the block is worthy of competing with the established businesses.  Furthermore, It will be the responsibility of that new guy to sell their product to those who are interested as one that is at the very least equal or as effective as the competition.

I do appreciate the follow up.

June 20, 2007 11:48 AM
 

lachelleredd said:

I have read the same document regarding Intel and UOP and the general  negative press surrounding UOP and other online programs.  I appreciated all the information that I gathered before I started UOP and there was plenty.  My final weigh in is this.  I have laways heard how one school is better than the other and so forth.  I have been hearing this since I got my undergrad at an HBCU in Mississippi back in 1993.  Since then I have worked and maintianed good jobs only leaving to find better placements or in one instance I was laid off.  My employers have always loved my work and the attitude I bring to the job.  I am currently a Family Services Manager and I received an MBA from UOP.  I don't want to be CEO of a major corporation, nor do I aspire to be president of some large firm that ends up stealing profits from the "little guy." All I know is that I can provide for my family and do what it takes to survive no matter what "piece of paper" I have.  

December 11, 2007 8:17 PM
 

vickiebos said:

I have been at the UOP for over a year and yes the classes are very accelerated and demanding.  I did consider other colleges, but for me it was about the expense and flexibility.  I also considered the fact that I had heard of UOP and not for instances Bakers Online.  Yes, I have complained to friends and family about the fast past and the work load, but all in all, I feel I am getting a good education that will be beneficial to myself and my family.  Even with the demanding schedule, I am now considering enrolling in the doctoral program at the UOP.  I think for me it is all about the time it takes to complete the program.  I don't want to be enrolled in a program that will take 5 years to complete.  Everyone has to do what they feel is right for them and make sure they weigh all their options.  

February 6, 2008 6:08 AM
 

JacobsenXXX said:

AACSB is the only legitimate acrediting organization for schools of business. Moreover, students who enroll in schools that are NOT accredited by AACSB should know that their graduate-level credits WILL NOT TRANSFER to an AACSB-accredited school. That says it all, in my opinion.

February 26, 2009 11:06 AM
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About WheelCipher

Scott is the Director of Customer Care in the manufacturing industry and is an avid amateur photographer.

You can see his work at http://www.wheelcipher.net

He has experience in the high-technology industry in management, engineering, and support positions with Time Warner Cable, Dell Computer Corporation, UUNET Technologies, Wayport and others.

Scott started his degree program in 2003, and had no prior college credit before jumping into the distance learning environment. He graduated in October 2007 having attained an A.A.S. in Information Technology and a B.S. in Management from Kaplan University.

In 2009, he graduated with his MBA from Norwich University and is now a doctoral candidate at Walden University.

Scott LOVES fan mail. You can e-mail him any questions about distance learning at sdavis@wheelcipher.net

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WheelCipher

Scott is the Director of Customer Care in the manufacturing industry and is an avid amateur photographer.

You can see his work at http://www.wheelcipher.net

He has experience in the high-technology industry in management, engineering, and support positions with Time Warner Cable, Dell Computer Corporation, UUNET Technologies, Wayport and others.

Scott started his degree program in 2003, and had no prior college credit before jumping into the distance learning environment. He graduated in October 2007 having attained an A.A.S. in Information Technology and a B.S. in Management from Kaplan University.

In 2009, he graduated with his MBA from Norwich University and is now a doctoral candidate at Walden University.

Scott LOVES fan mail. You can e-mail him any questions about distance learning at sdavis@wheelcipher.net

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