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Career Services and You

“Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame.” Erica Jong

CNN is reporting that a recent grad of Monroe College in the Bronx is suing her school because she graduated with a Bachelor's degree in IT and hasn't found a job yet.  This particular article caught my eye because for a time I helped with career services for Keiser University in Florida, so I know a little bit about how this process is supposed to work.  The idea is that your Career Services department is supposed to help you conduct your own search for a job.  They don't do the search for you.  I was amazed how many students seemed to think that all they had to do was drop by Career Services and we'd go to the backyard and pick a job off the job tree and come back and hand it to them.  Alas, it's not so easy.

What we did do was help students polish their resumes so that they would be professional looking, conduct mock interviews so they could get some practice with the interview process and hopefully be less nervous for the real thing, explain to them the importance of cover letters and help them draft them, and so forth.  We did develop relationships with local employers and try to connect students with them when we could, but we certainly didn't guarantee anyone anything from it, any more that you could set up two friends on a date and guarantee they'd get married.

I think it's especially interesting that even though this woman was a mediocre student, with a 2.7 grade point average, she still feels entitled to instant success immediately on graduation.  What's next, that she'll finally get a job and expect regular promotions just because she shows up for work most of the time and none of her work assignments turn out to be too poor?  I realize that the job market is a tough one and that this woman probably feels very frustrated that she hasn't been able to find the position that she needs.  I've been in the same boat, and we all need help sometimes.  But when she wastes time looking for someone else to blame, she's not spending it trying to improve her situation. 

It will be interesting to see what happens here.  Will she back away from this lawsuit?  Will the college settle with her to make her go away?  Will it go to trial and someone will win or lose?  All we know for certain is that every minute she spends on this is a minute she's not sending out her resume, attending a job fair, or interviewing for her first position. 

One final thought.  After this, would you hire her?

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Published Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:49 AM by SteveFoerster

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JaynaB said:

Hi Steve,

I just had to comment on this entry...how in the world can a person decide in their mind that someone is responsible for their shortcoming??  People need to think and realize that a college success does not come with a promise or a guarantee, it comes with the potential.  I like to think of a degree as gravy on buttery and creamy mashed potatoes.  With experience it's great, but w/that degree on top, makes it even more tasteful.  Shame on that girl, and if that university settles, then that opens the door to college grads all over the U.S to sue their institutions, especially the classes of 2009.  

August 4, 2009 1:42 PM
 

SteveFoerster said:

Hi Jayna,

I think it's part of the entitlement mentality that has become pervasive throughout American society in the last few decades.  It used to be that people took personal responsibility for their own success or failure.  Now, people expect a trophy just for showing up.  I shudder to think what the long term ramifications are of this, but suffice it to say that I'm encouraging my own kids to think internationally when it comes to where the opportunity may be for them in life by the time they are adults.

August 6, 2009 2:04 PM
 

CWE said:

Although looking to government to "make it didn't happen" might be a slippery slope to the depths of madness, we already are in that particular madhouse.  Perhaps, if the loser of a civil suit paid court costs and the legal costs of the winner of the suit, we would see a lot fewer lawsuits.  This case is not about legal reform; it is about academic malpractice.

In the English-speaking countries, we operate under the assumption that everyone deserves an academic degree.  This is laudable on the surface, but it fails on two points:

a) It tacitly denigrates trades and crafts as fulfilling careers.  Not everyone is best suited for a career in law, medicine, engineering, education, science, or middle management.  Instead of selling the promise of a Business Administration career in Information Technology to C students, schools would serve their students better if they had professional alternatives in trades and crafts, and they treated those programs with respect.

b) Academic programs are designed by individuals, and each is unique.  Some programs are strong; some programs are weak; some are laughable.  If standards for academic programs, instruction, and assessment existed, complaints like the one addressed here would be without merit by assumption, and possibly even by definition.  Sadly, attempts at standardization lead to cries of "McEducation," and students are awarded at different schools degrees that have the same name and bear almost no resemblance to each other.

The problem lies with admissions departments at many schools that prey on the naive and the gullible, and the deck is stacked in favor of the schools. As soon as a student signs a student loan agreement, that student is stuck with that debt; it cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. The school gets paid, regardless of the quality of its programs, and the student commits before services are rendered.

So, while we probably all agree with Steve's rhetorical point, and we would not hire this young lady - or anyone with same or a similar name, just to be safe - this happened at Monroe College and not at MIT.

The school bears some responsibility here.

August 6, 2009 2:16 PM
 

SteveFoerster said:

I'm all for "loser pays" as a reform to fight ill conceived and predatory lawsuits.  And I agree that not everyone should need a university setting to learn what they need to know to have a fulfilling career.  But I disagree this case is about academic malpractice.  I know what you mean about admissions counselors; I've written about them in this blog.  But in this case, either the school made an ironclad promise that she'd get a job on graduation (which I find hard to believe) or they didn't.  If they didn't, she simply doesn't have the moral high ground here.

August 6, 2009 5:18 PM
 

CWE said:

This case is about academic malpractice.  

Ms. Thompson claims that Monroe College failed to uphold its side of the bargain; Monroe College's administrators no doubt disagree.  In all likelihood, the courts will side with Monroe College.

As for moral high ground, just as Ms. Thompson does not have the moral high ground here, Monroe College's admissions representatives and administrators do not have the moral high ground, either.  They might not have stated explicitly that Ms. Thompson would get an executive position upon graduation, but they did have her sign student loan application forms that compelled her to pay for classes, before she ever saw the inside of one of Monroe College's classrooms.

A pox on both their houses!

My original point is that sanctimonious twits are what is needed to send a signal to sleazy 'education' purveyors that the madness must end.  If the madness does not end, then sleazy 'education' purveyors should bear some of the cost of their actions.

From what I have seen, everyone seems to be coming down hard against Ms. Thompson.  She is not the only guilty party here.

CWE

August 6, 2009 11:19 PM
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I'm an educational technologist and administrator who loves distance learning. I completed my Bachelor's in Information Systems by distance, and went on to do a Master's in Educational Technology almost entirely online.

Now it's time for doctoral study, and I've decided to stick with eLearning for many reasons, chief among them that the Doctor of Health Education program that interested me wasn't available from a local university. Also, I'm married with four school-age kids, so I definitely need the flexibility that online learning can provide. This program at A.T. Still University met my needs.

My other interests include veganism, developing world issues, open educational resources and free culture, and individual liberty.

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I'm an educational technologist and administrator who loves distance learning. I completed my Bachelor's in Information Systems by distance, and went on to do a Master's in Educational Technology almost entirely online.

Now it's time for doctoral study, and I've decided to stick with eLearning for many reasons, chief among them that the Doctor of Health Education program that interested me wasn't available from a local university. Also, I'm married with four school-age kids, so I definitely need the flexibility that online learning can provide. This program at A.T. Still University met my needs.

My other interests include veganism, developing world issues, open educational resources and free culture, and individual liberty.

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